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Sat, Apr. 24th, 2004, 05:59 am
labellamafia494: ramblings & Q's about S1

My ramblings/questions after seeing S1 in a block - again. xposted to my LJ.



The ironic thing is - Nina barely had reason to kill Teri, apart from the personal one.

Her cover was already blown, Teri didn't know anything else that could endanger her future, apart from the link to Germany...Would that be so important once she was gone?


Nina - What can I say, I LUFF YOU!

Any specs on when/why she turned?

*I've seen a lot of fans indicate she became the mole when Jack crawled back to Teri - only problem is the key card in the beginning of the season. Obviously, it linked back to her for a reason, and the date the thing had been accessed was during the J/N Santa Barbara weekend. Also, I doubt they'd do that to her character.

*The why is what interests me the most, though. Money, only? Patriotic situation a la Irina Derevko (alias)? Too bad her motives weren't exploited on the show. Although I haven't seen all of S2 yet.

*There's also the question of the Jack/Nina affair, and then the Tony/Nina. One could say she slept with Jack only for information - but then how do you explain Tony? She was his boss. I doubt he knew anything of importance to her. It was LURVE.

*Why exactly did she kill Jamey? Gaines himself obviously wasn't aware of her (Nina's) implication in the Drazen affair, since he ordered Jack to kill her, so what'd Jamey know? Er. Maybe leading them to Gaines?


Sherry - Gotta admit, I enjoyed Her Royal Evilness this season. She'll go to extraordinary lengths to get what she wants (ie. a firm grip on Palmer) while staying "good". Well. In a way.
What I find fascinating is her ability to save her ass in any situation. Especially when Palmer catches her red-handed a few times (after destroying the tape & setting him up with Patty ), she retorts calmly - often putting the blame/guilt trip on "Day-vid" Palmer.


Teri - As a Jack/Nina shipper, I didn't dislike her as much as I though I would. I loved her when they were captive, and felt SO bad when she "volunteered" to get raped by Eli. She did love Jack, although repeating it x4484518 times an ep hurt my J/N shippin' heart.
Though, the amnesia bit? Annoying. VERY. Not to mention the Nina!Bitching when she herself probably had an affair with Parslow. (That's unclear to me)
It strikes me as funny that she just wouldn't have died if she hadn't moved to go look for Nina. Snort!

Finally..little bit about Jack & Nina - post mole discovery.

I was discussing this with rezie today: What could redeem Nina to Jack's eyes? Nothing. The next best thing, then: what would make him start to forgive her - to make this "relationship" more equal?

The justification of Teri's murder - by making her (teri) implicated in the Drazen affair. (Very unlikely, but HOW COOL WOULD THAT BE?)

Sat, Apr. 24th, 2004 03:21 am (UTC)
xandra73

Nina had to kill Teri, because Teri had overheard Ninas telphone call with Germany. The woman on the phone said that Nina had to eliminate everything that could be traced back to Germany. So she was more or less ordered to kill Teri. I don't think Nina killed Teri for personal reasons. I believed her when she told Jack 'I never meant it to be personal.'

Sat, Apr. 24th, 2004 07:50 am (UTC)
catch22girl

I agree with Xandra73, she had to kill Teri because Teri overheard her talking to her 'real' employers and knew where she was heading. She wouldn't have killed her 'til the person on the phone said something to the effect of tie up loose ends and anything that can connect you to Germany. Hence, poor Teri.

It's very difficult to figure out exactly when Nina turned. I believe that it happened before J/N ever got together. I think Nina was using Tony for information - or barring that, someone to either A) recruit into her evil plan or B) to complete her cover. Just see how Nina uses Tony's love for her in the first few episodes and beyond. Although, honestly, *no one* knows her motivations or true mission.

After seeing this season, I'd say her reasons were probably connected to money -- or maybe even deep undercover work for her actual government at that time. It is, of course, quite unclear.

I'd say leading to Gaines which would *then* lead to the Drazens. Jamey knew just enough to get herself killed.

It's so funny seeing loving couple Sherry/David from the beginning of S1 to like "I hate you get away from me" by the end. Ah, 24, ruiner of all relationships.

What could redeem Nina to Jack? I can't think of a thing -- I guess it would be maybe to know her actual motives or find out that maybe *she* had hostages to fortune.

I still maintain that Jack saw *way* too much of himself in Nina this season (going undercover, sleeping with someone you knew you're going to have to eventually betray...).

Teri didn't have an affair with Parslow - they just talked and maybe kissed once or twice, but she didn't want to do that to Kim and was probably (def) still in love with Jack (obviously).

Teri did love him - and he loved her - and that's what makes her death so sad.

Sat, Apr. 24th, 2004 10:47 am (UTC)
labellamafia494

She wouldn't have killed her 'til the person on the phone said something to the effect of tie up loose ends and anything that can connect you to Germany.
True that, the call - though I was thinking Teri's knowlege didn't represent any real danger to her.
Just being meticulous then?

B) to complete her cover.
I'd go with that too - although do you think getting involved with Jack, then Tony was purely for her mission? The 'heartbroken' other woman, all an act? Maybe. *ponders*

Just see how Nina uses Tony's love for her in the first few episodes and beyond
true

It's so funny seeing loving couple Sherry/David from the beginning of S1 to like "I hate you get away from me" by the end.
Hee! Yeah - the "degradation" of Sherry is very clear throughout the season. 'Tis why I love her!

still maintain that Jack saw *way* too much of himself in Nina this season (going undercover, sleeping with someone you knew you're going to have to eventually betray...).

Oooh, interesting! I hadn't thought of the parallels. This indicates again we know practically nothing of Nina's true motives, sigh.

Maybe the fact that they didn't dwell on it was to make her a simpler, more one dimensional character? But, heh. There's also the real time setting..

Teri did love him - and he loved her - and that's what makes her death so sad.
*nod*
Though her death not being a direct result of the day's kidnapping/ect seemed a bit anti-climatic, imo. Although I can't think of a better way to end the season, lmao.

There's also the fact that they only told Sarah she'd be the mole 6 or 7 eps before the reveal - I guess we can take clues both ways, then.

Sat, Apr. 24th, 2004 10:58 am (UTC)
catch22girl

See, here's where I get confused:

I'd go with that too - although do you think getting involved with Jack, then Tony was purely for her mission? The 'heartbroken' other woman, all an act? Maybe. *ponders*.

Sometimes I think she got involved with Jack accidentally and then realized she could use it to her advantage. There was just something too 'real' about her conversation with Teri. Or, she's a real good liar (nina a good liar? never!) Plus, the fact that the actress didn't know at that point, lol.

I think that getting involved with Tony was maybe partly because she needed someone and partly because he would immediately 'protect' her when things went wrong.

I think we never found out nina's motives cause, although she was like if you kill me you'll never know who I work for, I didn't get the impression that after that Jack much cared exactly *who* she worked for. After all, at no point in this season did he ask the identity of her employers, did he? I couldn't be remembering things wrong. My mind is a little tired.

Oh, her death was anti-climatic climactic. It did tie into the day because Nina was behind part of the day. She had to die for the story to continue. Jack with his wife and new baby in season two would not have made a very 'exciting' show.

Sat, Apr. 24th, 2004 12:11 pm (UTC)
labellamafia494

she got involved with Jack accidentally and then realized she could use it to her advantage
Dude. That's exactly it! Couldn't think of a better interpretation - and I can definitely see that. Tumbling in by mistake, but then re-taking control.

he would immediately 'protect' her when things went wrong.
Mmhmm. A safety net..
When Jack caught Nina in the finale - Tony had an "Oh. Mole? *shrug*" look. Or maybe that's just me seeing things, lmao. This show messes with my head.

I didn't get the impression that after that Jack much cared exactly *who* she worked for. After all, at no point in this season did he ask the identity of her employers, did he?
Nope, he didn't..it has been awhile since day one, his urgency for revenge/main focus isn't the same.

TPTB probably feel Nina's story is over (well. She's dead now, so yeah) - they didn't want to dwell on it this season. Boo!

But I want answeeeeeers! *pout* Thank god for fic, really.
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Thu, Apr. 29th, 2004 01:43 pm (UTC)
labellamafia494: Re: *delurk*

dude, veronika? WORD.

And about Tony/Nina..She *was* his superior, so I'm wondering what info she'd need that he had clearance to and not her. Of course, it could just be for her cover. andtomakejackjealous